From: Phantomite
Sent: 2016-04-23 16:39:00
To: Snuffed Out, PLeonast, Dread Operative, Robert Dalentis, Dan Jintao, D0nnieDark0, Gerard Naskingar
Hello everyone. Seeing as you felt you had to copy your yes-men in on the mail so you could have them nodding in solemn agreement, i'll take the opportunity to point out where you're wrong, and indeed where not only are you wrong, but you've deliberately and willfully left out the context so as to support your pathetic, long running argument against THE POWAH THAT HOLDS YOU BACK! (Don't worry, we all know that you're a strong independant man who don't need no alliance rules)
I understand Phant has been raging about Robert Dalentis and his acquisition of a Wyvern and denied him access to super forums and channels.
As you are no doubt aware, the supers forum has not existed for many many weeks. If you were actually not aware of this, I implore you to log in more often and take part in the alliance comings and goings so you can be up-to-date.
Access to the cap chain channels with a Wyvern would be a retarded idea, but i'm getting ahead of myself. That set of goddies is to come.
I understand why we have a longstanding policy of armor supers and I advised him against getting it.
Oh good, glad you're fully in the know about it all.
most of the reasons that policy was in place are rapidly no longer becoming valid.
Oh how wrong you are.
However, I am (as usual) less than impressed with the way you dealt with this Phant.
I tell you what mate, I am less than impressed with your repeated recruitment transgressions. If a naughty child repeatedly breaks the rules, he will get told off every single time, more and more harshly until he falls in line as does as he's damn well told. I was sure you'd have learned your lesson after one of your rule-skipping recruits awoxed a titan in the alliance.
My favourite bit was when you told him that if he lost it, you would kick him.
Thank goodness jabber holds a full log, eh?
I actually said:
[22.04.2016 15:19:19] if you lose it doing a gank with your fellow gatecamping chuckle brothers I will have you kicked
Oh, deary me. Quite a bit different with the context, isn't it? I guess either your recruitment-skipping pal forgot to tell you that bit, or you ignored it to try and make a point.
A message to everybody at this point:
Don't go ganking with your supers. You are not the rekkingcrew and you are sure as HECK not speedweed.
You don't kick my members, nor will I kick my members because you tell me to (unless there's a really good reason, e.g. awoxing). This is also massive hypocrisy, since plenty of other corps have and use shield supers, including in ganking (Speedweed springs to mind immediately).
You are right, here to be fair. I don't kick your members. But I don't tolerate badness in this alliance, and I make many recommendations constantly to donnie based on my findings when I shine the magnifying glass over suspicious pilots. He doesn't always take my word, and rightfully so - he makes those decisions. So maybe my promise that he would be kicked held no water. Maybe we'd just remove a corporation that caused the most trouble and put up the most resistance constantly to our requirements.
Off the top of my head, I am not aware of any significant incidents with rubbish pilots using off-doctrine supers. As for speedweed, i'm sure that blind rigid rule-placing doesn't help anyone. Bending the rules for people who have proven themselves fully capable and good at judgement is what gives us new FCs and speedweed.
Rules are not bent on a request basis.
Now, as for shield supers, we had two main reasons for not using them. 1) Slowcats - this is obviously no longer valid from the Citadel patch.
You're right, once again - sorry. Slowcats spider tanking are indeed not going to be a thing.
However consider this insultingly simple fact:
If the vast majority of the supers are armor... what type of reps do you think will be on our triage and logistics ships?
No, take your time.
Yea? On the same page now? Whew, that was hard. I'm sure I don't need to spell that out.
2) Mainly using armor sub doctrines - This is no longer valid since we are using Nightmares and Cerbs. Maybe, before we start sperging at alliance members, we should actually have a think about what we will be doing with capitals and supers come citadel.
Well, it's getting boring typing out full child-friendly explainations.
How many of our shield fleets mix in a few armor ships for a laugh?
Oh, you don't think mixed tanking in fleets is a good idea? O.K. Moving on...
As for him not being 'allowed' to bring supers on ops. Pretty sure that is up to the FC, not you.
Well, here's a suprise for you. I can make that choice! Haha!
Because I have spent time figuring out the impact of attempted mixed tanking, I have a better grasp on this than you do! Indeed, anyone with a higher level grasp than me is absolutely welcome to suggest doctrine changes.
Now, i'm in now way saying I have brilliant knowledge of such theories, i'm just saying I clearly have a better knowledgebase than you.
but just know that if I or another FC want that wyvern in fleet, then we'll just get around your obstructiveness anyway.
Obstructiveness pushes our security and success towards the light. And I guess we all just worked out that you clearly will never be FCing a super fleet.
Snuffed Out ingame leadership channel:
[00:05:53] Dan Jintao > That idiot phantomite been on lately?
[00:06:01] Dan Jintao > Nah, what was I thinking, he doesn't log on...
Dan, I herepy officially apologise for not being online during AU prime. I was asleep. Sound asleep, with none of my actions keeping me awake.
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Robert Dalentis and Shield Supers
From: Dan Jintao
Sent: 2016.04.23 00:53
To: D0nnieDark0, Dread Operative, Gerard Naskingar, Phantomite, Pleonast, Robert Dalentis,
Hi all,
I understand Phant has been raging about Robert Dalentis and his acquisition of a Wyvern and denied him access to super forums and channels.
I understand why we have a longstanding policy of armor supers and I advised him against getting it. That said, most of the reasons that policy was in place are rapidly no longer becoming valid. Will go into that in a sec.
However, I am (as usual) less than impressed with the way you dealt with this Phant. My favourite bit was when you told him that if he lost it, you would kick him. Well, let me be clear. You don't kick my members, nor will I kick my members because you tell me to (unless there's a really good reason, e.g. awoxing). This is also massive hypocrisy, since plenty of other corps have and use shield supers, including in ganking (Speedweed springs to mind immediately).
Now, as for shield supers, we had two main reasons for not using them. 1) Slowcats - this is obviously no longer valid from the Citadel patch. 2) Mainly using armor sub doctrines - This is no longer valid since we are using Nightmares and Cerbs. Maybe, before we start sperging at alliance members, we should actually have a think about what we will be doing with capitals and supers come citadel.
As for him not being 'allowed' to bring supers on ops. Pretty sure that is up to the FC, not you. You can add him to channels or not, but just know that if I or another FC want that wyvern in fleet, then we'll just get around your obstructiveness anyway.
Thanks,
Dan